William Stephenson Posted July 12, 2020 Report Share Posted July 12, 2020 Recently acquired a 2014 evoque with 98k on it. Barely running and lots of smoke out of the tailpipe.Checked out the cause of the failure and found piston failure of cylinder #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Stephenson Posted July 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2020 This is when I started to dive into the surprisingly deep world of Ecoboost engines. There are many similarities and differences between all the models. I was also shocked by what an engine would price just because it came from a JLR product.Evoque Engine (used eBay) goes for around $4000Ford Focus ST engine (used eBay) can be had for around $1500 (and it is proving to be superior, more on that later)A big issue on the Evoques has been the cracking exhaust manifold. Focus ST engine has an integrated manifold, Evoque does not. Piston failure also appears to be an issue on the Evoque and less on the Focus ST. Focus builds pushing 300+whp are fine on the stock bottom end. I suspect the Focus ST may have superior engine internals.So I ordered an Ecoboost 2.0 engine from a Ford Focus ST- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethro Posted July 12, 2020 Report Share Posted July 12, 2020 This sounds great! Do you think you will have a problem smoging it? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLOHybrid Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 I know these cars are failing constantly but my buddy just sold one of these to a tech for $2500 it too had a engine failure.. I considered taking it but a used engine is average $4k.. how much is an ecoboost?? won't you need to referee it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Stephenson Posted July 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 Range Rover uses a Ford Ecoboost 2.0 engine, just a slightly different variant. From my research it appears they used a naturally aspirated version off the n/a focus and adapted oil/coolant fittings for the turbocharger. *this is speculation as of this point*It is a near identical engine. Most of the differences appear to be the turbo charger and a few small connectors. I got transmission and cooling system bolted up to Focus ST engine yesterday. Jethro, PaulD and Mr.BlueSky 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.BlueSky Posted July 14, 2020 Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 This is awesome. Nicely done on the research front. I can't wait to see how it turns out! Jethro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Stephenson Posted July 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2020 Just got it bolted up into the engine mounts. Everything for the most part has gone fairly smooth. I'll update thread with pics of things I had to change. So far this is looking like a promising way to save money on Evoque/Discovery Sport engine failure (which is very common). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeWare Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just got it bolted up into the engine mounts. Everything for the most part has gone fairly smooth. I'll update thread with pics of things I had to change. So far this is looking like a promising way to save money on Evoque/Discovery Sport engine failure (which is very common). I hope it doesn't turn out like the kit car build I was involved in back in my teens. Everything was going great, we had substituted better parts (mainly Porsche in place of VW) and had everything lined up and running. Wasn't until the test drive that we realized why others didn't do the same transaxle swap that we had. We had four reverse gears and one forward! By using the 'wrong' transaxle, we'd changed the drive direction. Regards, Graeme PaulD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 Same motor for the most part, I owned a ST for some time recently and just sold it. Anyways... Ford was completely out of stock on the turbo from the dealer and I ended up using a evoque one with light modifications and everything worked out. Curious to hear the end result on this, good luck. William Stephenson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.BlueSky Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 I hope it doesn't turn out like the kit car build I was involved in back in my teens. Everything was going great, we had substituted better parts (mainly Porsche in place of VW) and had everything lined up and running. Wasn't until the test drive that we realized why others didn't do the same transaxle swap that we had. We had four reverse gears and one forward! By using the 'wrong' transaxle, we'd changed the drive direction. Regards, Graeme Graeme, This seems to fall into the "feature" category. How fun this must have been! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Req2qhhhgB4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Stephenson Posted July 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) Started the car yesterday for the first time. Moved it 20 feet. I have no catalytic converter at the moment, it should show up tomorrow. I'll update with pics. etc. I have a goal to get out on the freeway next weekend. @graemeware- luckily I was able to keep my 9 forward gears and 1 reverse gear. lol Edited July 20, 2020 by William Stephenson Mr.BlueSky and LandRonB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Stephenson Posted July 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 Got it in and logged 40 miles yesterday and today. I met a real Catch 22 on the downpipe. I welded the flange from the evoque on a Fiesta ST downpipe and being FWD, the catalyst nearly hits the PTU and it hits the driveshaft.For now I removed the rear driveshaft and i've been running my Evoque FWD. It surprisingly doesn't change the demeanor of the car on the street.I have a few faults I have to de-bug. I have three codes I need work through. I have a P0234 for overboost (i need to check the wastegate crack pressure on the two turbos, could be different). I also have a code for the oil temp sensor (I didn't swap pans and this new pan has no hold for the sensor arg). I also have a slightly high idle, probably an air leak somewhere.Anyways, 5 steps forward and 2 steps back, but project is coming along. The real crux of the whole project is the downpipe. It's a real game of inches and I'm going to have to make my own if I want to have AWD again. DHappel and Jethro 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHappel Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 Very cool. What's the relative power gain? And more importantly, is it so similar looking that it'll pass smog visual 'under the radar', or will you have to referee it? Because ain't nobody go time for that CARB crap.... PaulD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Stephenson Posted July 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 Power between the two should be relatively the same. Only real change being cylinder heads and pressure actuated wastegate/vs vacuum. Its so similar looking it should fly through any smog station. The only way to really tell is by putting it on a lift and and looking at the exhaust manifold. You would have to know Evoque/Disco sports to know the difference. The biggest reason to do this swap is cost. Engine failure is common. My JLR cost on the long block is now around $6000eBay tends to be around $4000Focus ST engines go for $1500. Given the minor amount of work is has taken to adapt the two engines, I feel it has been worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lithium1330 Posted August 11, 2020 Report Share Posted August 11, 2020 Nice story and swap.I believe the Ford 2.0 turbo is the same one they first introduced in the 2013+ LR2's. (Wife has 87k miles on her LR2...and it's running well. *knock wood*)Subsequently, that 2.0T gets added to Disco Sport, Evoque, etc Thanks for sharing and godspeed sorting out last few issues! PaulD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandykins Posted February 16, 2021 Report Share Posted February 16, 2021 Get all the codes sorted? Sent from my SM-G970U1 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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